Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:36:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: jack topel <jacopel@yahoo.com>
Subject: Reply to Marie: Man!...Ron Paul is making more and more sense Re: marielovesashley sent you a video!
To: FORUM_FOR_DISCLOSURES@yahoogroups.com

Reply to Marie:  Man!...Ron Paul is making more and more sense Re: marielovesashley sent you a video!

 

Marie,

 

I started arguing for Ron Paul, not so much because I was so aware of his positions and policies...I was not, but because I was so upset at how Giuliani use Ron Paul to his advantage by ridiculing him during the past Republican debate.

 

Since, you and other Group members have been providing information about Ron Paul which I have read or viewed, the more I learn the more impressed I have become.

 

In this short video below he explained some of the things for which he has also been ridiculed and ones which I have not heard his explanation of them. Now, he make better sense to me for I was one of those who also felt "weird" about some of his positions until I viewd this video.

 

It is amazing how well simplicity and common sense work...particularly with the issue of VA Hospitals, one in which you have had an unfortunate stake on with the death of your dear husband at the hand of a government run medical institution lake the VA Hospitals.

 

Jack 

Marie marielovesashley@yahoo wrote:

 

Congressman Ron Paul is telling the same thing than me that the VA hospital is just second class care and that the Veterans should have the choice of the doctor they want.  Thanks to the Congressman Paul to TELL the truth about the VA hospitals ! 

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Subject: Senators want to make CIA release 9/11 report

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Senators want to make CIA release 9/11 report

Fri May 18, 2007 01:25

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=110966;title=APFN

Senators want to make CIA release 9/11 report
Office has not publicized any of its internal documents on the attack
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18728335/

Updated: 6:25 p.m. MT May 17, 2007

WASHINGTON - A bipartisan group of senators is pushing legislation that would force the CIA to release an inspector general’s report on the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The CIA has spent more than 20 months weighing requests under the Freedom of Information Act for its internal investigation of the attacks but has yet to release any portion of it.

The agency is the only federal office involved in counterterrorism operations that has not made at least a version of its internal 9/11 investigation public.

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and two other intelligence committee leaders — chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., and senior Republican Kit Bond of Missouri — are pushing legislation that would require the agency to declassify the executive summary of the review within one month and submit a report to Congress explaining why any material was withheld.

The provision has been approved by the Senate twice, but never made into law.

In an interview, Wyden said he is also considering whether to link the report’s release to his acceptance of President Bush’s nominations for national security positions.

“It’s amazing the efforts the administration is going to stonewall this,” Wyden said. “The American people have a right to know what the Central Intelligence Agency was doing in those critical months before 9/11.... I am going to bulldog this until the public gets it.”

Completed in June 2005, the inspector general’s report examined the personal responsibility of individuals at the CIA before and after the attacks. Other agencies’ reviews examined structural problems within their organizations.

Wyden, who has read the classified report several times, wouldn’t offer any details on its findings or the conversations he has had with CIA Director Michael Hayden, former CIA Director Porter Goss and former National Intelligence Director John Negroponte.

Political security at stake
But he did say that protecting individuals from embarrassment is not a legitimate reason for protecting the report’s contents from public review. He also said the decision to classify the report has nothing to do with national security, but rather political security.

Hayden declined to be interviewed about the report. In a statement Thursday, his spokesman Mark Mansfield said the CIA director wants the agency to learn from any past mistakes, but doesn’t want to dwell on them.

“Given the formidable national security challenges our nation faces, now and down the road, General Hayden believes it is essential for the Agency to move forward,” Mansfield said. “That’s where our emphasis needs to be.”

The agency’s actions prior to Sept. 11 have gotten renewed attention with the release of a memoir by former CIA director George Tenet. He has been criticized for not doing more to warn Bush about the al-Qaida threat.

In interviews about his memoir, he has said instead he worked the bureaucracy beneath the president by asking then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and others for action.

Bond said some intelligence officials have dismissed the inspector general’s report as “ancient history,” which he doesn’t accept. He said the report has additional information which would be useful to the public.

“We have no desire to embarrass or throw cold water on the enthusiasm of the great men and women of the CIA, but let’s just take a clear and open look at what the IG found and see if we have all of those problems corrected,” Bond said.
CONTINUED
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18728335/page/2/

'Stars who had excelled'
In an October 2005 statement Goss said the officers involved in counterterrorism were “stars who had excelled in their areas” singled out by the CIA to take on difficult assignments. “Unfortunately, time and resources were not on their side, despite their best efforts to meet unprecedented challenges,” he said.

Goss rejected a recommendation from CIA Inspector General John Helgerson that the agency form accountability review boards to examine any personal culpability. Bond said that move was regrettable.

In his statement, Goss also noted that the agency had received a Freedom of Information Act request for the report, and that a review process was ongoing. But the CIA has not released any documents to The Associated Press or other organizations that began requesting the information at least 20 months ago.

The law requires agencies to respond to requests within 20 days, but officials rarely meet those deadlines and often blame lengthy backlogs.

Groups including the National Security Archive have clashed with the agency over its FOIA policies. Last year, the archive gave the CIA its prize for the agency with the worst FOIA record. Called the “Rosemary Award,” it’s named after President Nixon’s secretary, Rosemary Woods, who erased 18 minutes of a key Watergate conversation on the White House tapes.

The citation noted that CIA’s oldest FOIA requests could apply for drivers’ licenses in most states. “CIA has for three decades been one of the worst FOIA agencies,” archive Director Thomas Blanton said this week.

Sensitive issue within the CIA
Many of the individuals highlighted in the inspector general’s report are likely to have retired. But some are believed still to be in senior government positions, making the report’s findings even more sensitive at the CIA and perhaps elsewhere within the intelligence community.

The AP has reported that the two-year review of what went wrong before the suicide hijackings harshly criticized a number of the agency’s most senior officials.

That includes Tenet, former clandestine service chief Jim Pavitt and former counterterrorism center head Cofer Black, according to individuals familiar with the report, who spoke in 2005 on condition they not be identified.

Yet the report also offered some praise for actions of Tenet and others.

Pavitt is now a principal with The Scowcroft Group, an international business advisory firm, and Black is vice chairman of Blackwater USA, an international security firm whose clients include the CIA and other U.S. agencies.

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"Each generation has a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its happiness."

Thomas Jefferson, 1812

President James Buchanan was a Mason

James Buchanan

President 1857-1861 / Master Mason 1817
EA Dec. 11, 1816, Lancaster Lodge #43, Lancaster, PA, FC & MM 1817, Junior Warden 1821-1822, Master 1825, exalted in Royal Arch Chapter # 43, in 1826, Deputy Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania

From a masonic website:

http://www.freemasoninformation.com/famous/uspres.htm

Searching Ashley's ancestors - part 4

 

Ashley is looking like a Buchanan, having more his father's features.

Searching Ashley's ancestors - part 3

Needless to say that I contacted his 3 Buchanan aunts in South Carolina.
I already talked to his sister. I am putting the pictures on.
His sister is looking more like his mother and he is looking more like the Buchanan.
Ashley told me his mother is a direct descendant of U.S. President Woodrow Wilson:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/ww28.html

Searching Ashley's ancestors - part 3

Date:	Sun, 13 May 2007 14:37:57 -0400 (EDT)
From:	"Marie Buchanan"
Subject:	For Rev. Ashley McDonald Buchanan, D.D.
To:	aamuseum@greencastlemuseum.org, marielovesashley@yahoo.ca

Hi,

I perfectly remember my husband told me his ancestors were Presbyterian Scots and his middle name is McDonald.
Reverend Ashley McDonald Buchanan, member of the Prestigious Who's Who.

Here's what I found out until now:
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-.nv5DWs8erSpEGVZKpn.gCLG93gBjAe_?p=474

Ashley was serious when he told me the U.S. President James Buchanan was his ancestor:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/jb15.html
....and he always told me the truth. He even told me more than that 3 months before going to Heaven.

I am fighting big INJUSTICES happened to him/us and here is one of them:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WhoShallSeparateUsFromTheLoveOfChrist/

Could you please give me cues of how I can find more precisely his ancestors? You need to consider I am financially broken, about to be on the street thanks to the way they are treating Immigrants so I can not invest money for now but I don't mind to work hard, even very hard.

Thank you.

Searching Ashley's ancestors - part 1

I perfectly remember my husband told me his ancestors were Presbyterian Scots and his middle name is McDonald.
Reverend Ashley McDonald Buchanan.
Marie Loves Her Knight Ashley (that's written with my ID at 360)

Marie Buchanan wrote: Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:03:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marie Buchanan
Subject: Searching Ashley's ancestors
To: marielovesashley@yahoo.ca

Allison-Antrim Museum Greencastle, PA

Who were the Scot-Irish? Rev 10-26-2001, 11-11-2003

The Scot-Irish settled Greencastle-Antrim, as well as the rest of the Cumberland Valley. Who were the Scot-Irish? They were protestant Presbyterian, Lowland Scots. The Scot-Irish were not Irish and were not Catholics. The term Scot-Irish is strictly an American nomenclature. In England and Ireland the same people are called Ulster Scots, which is much less confusing.

In the early seventeenth century when James I ascended to the English throne in 1603, one of his main objectives was to civilize the uncontrolable, autonomous Irish - the majority of whom were Catholic.

James I’s chosen action plan to accomplish this objective was to begin an extensive colonization plan which emigrated English protestants, Presbyterian Scots, and even French and German protestants from their homelands into Ireland during the early 1600's. He especially concentrated on the Ulster region which, at that time, included the nine present-day counties of Donegal, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Armagh, Down, Tyrone, Coleraine (later Londonderry), and Antrim. The Ulster region is located in the northeastern part of the island of Ireland and lies closest, geographically, to England and Scotland compared to the rest of Ireland. Archie Reid, president of the Ballyclare Historical Society in County Antrim, Northern Ireland wrote the following about County Donegal. "When partition was set up, Donegal was not included in the new Northern Ireland. We still feel an affinity and my Historical Society has close links with the Donegal one and we exchange visits."

The lands that were confiscated had belonged to Irish Earls who had left Ireland seeking help from Spain and Rome to fight the English crown. The Irish Earls never again returned to their homeland. The land was first given to the new immigrants and then to servitors of the King. The native Irish were the last to receive any leftover land. In the process of settling the Ulster Plantation, the English displaced masses of Irish peasants, often refusing them the right to settle on certain lands.

During this time of colonization, the Scot-Irish built towns and villages, commerce and industry increased, and new farming methods were introduced. More importantly, the Presbyterian Church was established in a country very strongly rooted in the Catholic faith which caused great religious turmoil and conflict. This conflict was exacerbated when, through the years, the English monarchs wavered back and forth on their religious policies.

The Presbyterian Scots lived in Northern Ireland for a little over a century before immigrating to the American colonies. The English landlords found the Scot settlers too similar to the Irish natives and resented them. The immigration was precipitated by the English Monarchy who tried to exert its own political and religious authority over the citizens of Ireland, including the Presbyterian Scots, causing constant struggles for religious tolerance, civil liberties, and political rights such as holding office or having representation in government. Economic factors also affected their decisions to immigrate to the colonies. Anglican ministers made the majority of their income by imposing tithes on the Irish - Catholic and Presbyterian alike. The Irish tenants were charged high rents for their land adding additional economic burdens on their families. Consecutive potato crop failures in 1724 1725, and 1726 compounded all the preceding problems and forced many Ulster Scots to seek a new life in America.

The mass immigration of the Scot-Irish took place over a 58-year span between 1717 and 1775. This time period is known as the "Great Migration" and occurred in five "waves". The immigrants from the first three waves established the major settlements of the Scot-Irish in the colonies.

The immigrants from the first and second waves landed in Philadelphia and the Delaware River in Pennsylvania. The third wave of immigrants moved beyond Pennsylvania into Virginia and beyond.

From Historical Sketch of Franklin County, "They brought with them a hatred of oppression, and love of freedom in its fullest measure… The Scotch-Irish, in the struggle for national independence, were ever to be found on the side of the colonies."

The Scot-Irish did not, unfortunately, avoid political strife in Pennsylvania with the Quakers and the German settlers in the early part of the 18^th century. The Quakers did not appreciate their interference in politics and were especially unhappy with them when the Scot-Irish gained control of the Pennsylvania Assembly in 1756. It is to the credit of the many Scot-Irish who settled within its borders early on that Pennsylvania is what it is today. The Scot-Irish were military leaders and prominent lawmakers from the beginning of the colony's history through all dangers (including Indians) and especially during our fight for freedom and human rights. They helped write the constitutions and frame our fundamental laws. Fourteen United States presidents were descendents from the small northern corner of the island of Ireland. More than seven Pennsylvania governors were descendents of the Scot-Irish as well as many U.S. senators, congressmen, judges, and other prominent people from all walks of life. Davy Crocket, Mark Twain, Andy Jackson, and Sam Houston were all of Scot-Irish descent. Some familiar local Scot-Irish surnames are Allison, Irwin, Craig, McLaughlin, McLanahan, McDonald, McDowell, McCrae, Alexander, Chambers, and Davison.

The Germans considered themselves to be orderly, industrious, and frugal and thought the Scot-Irish were impetuous, reckless, and quick-tempered. Because of this, the Germans and the Scot-Irish often maintained settlements away from each other and avoided social contact in much the same manner as the Scots did with the Irish people while living in Northern Ireland.

The Scot-Irish who settled in America were descendants of the Lowland Scots who were robust, adventurous, and rebellious. There is no architectural style or type of furniture attributed to them so, in turn, there are no known artifacts surviving that are specific to the Scot-Irish. But the legacy they did leave behind for future generations is their religion. In each settlement they built a church in which to practice their Presbyterian faith. In the early 1700's, the Greencastle settlement was known as the East Conococheague Settlement. The first church, known as the Red Church, was built at Moss Spring.

The Scot-Irish were nomadic. Those who settled Greencastle had made their way westward from Philadelphia and then south into Antrim Township and then again continued west and over the Tuscarora Mountains. Along their route they left settlements about eight to ten miles apart. These settlements were quite often near springs or waterways.

They adopted the Scandinavian housing of log cabins. They didn't have many culinary skills and ate mostly mutton, lamb, and oats. Their music, unlike the Highlanders with their bagpipes, was played on fiddles and dulcimers.

Originally in 1682, there were only three counties - Chester, Philadelphia, and Bucks – that were established by William Penn. Chester included all of the land southwest of the Skuykill River to the extreme western and northern limits of the state.

• On May 10, 1729, Lancaster County was established from Chester County land.
• At the May 1741 quarter sessions court of Lancaster County, Antrim Township was established. At that time Antrim Township included all of present day Franklin County except Warren, Fannett and Metal Townships.
• Lurgan Township was established from the northern part of Antrim Township in 1743.
• On August 9, 1749, York County was established west of Lancaster from Lancaster County land.
• On January 27, 1750, Cumberland County was established from Lancaster County land.
• Greencastle was founded in 1782 by John Allison and was situated in the southern portion of Cumberland County.
• On September 9, 1784, Franklin County was established from the southwest part of Cumberland County. Any local research for tax records, deeds, or genealogy dating before September 9, 1784 must be done in Carlisle, the County seat of Cumberland County. All surviving records after that date can be researched in the Franklin County administrative offices in Chambersburg, Pa.

The first white man to settle in what we know today as Franklin County was Benjamin Chambers, a Scot-Irishman. He was from County Antrim in Northern Ireland and along with his brothers James, Robert, and Joseph immigrated to the Province of Pennsylvania some time between 1726 and 1730. With permission from the Indians, Chambers was allowed to settle on the land of his choice. This was about 1730. On March 30, 1734, the agent for the proprietors gave him a license "to take and settle and improve four hundred acres of land at the Falling Spring's mouth, and on both sides of the Conococheague Creek, for the convenience of a grist mill and plantation." This place became Chambersburg.

Antrim Township, established in 1741, is named after County Antrim in the very northeast corner of Northern Ireland from where many of this area's first settlers came. There is also a town by the name of Antrim located in County Antrim

The land that Greencastle now sits upon was first deeded to Samuel Smith by a land warrant in 1750. It was then transferred to John Smith, then John Davison, and finally to William Allison, Sr. in 1763. In 1769, William, Sr. transferred a portion of the land - 300 acres - to his son, John. If Greencastle was named for a place in the north of Ireland, there is no doubt the gently rolling landscape of this area reminded them of their homes in Ireland.

John Allison was a colonel in the Revolutionary War and served three terms in the Pennsylvania Assembly. In 1787 he was a delegate from Franklin County to the Pennsylvania Convention called to ratify the new Federal Constitution.

Allison founded Greencastle in 1782. Allison, along with the help of James Crawford, laid out the town in 246 numbered lots of equal size (30' x 250') and sold them through a lottery at $8 each. Allison owned and ran a tavern in town. In 1785 he contracted with William Rankin who owned Moss Spring to provide a fresh supply of water via a wooden trunk line into town for daily uses and fire protection.

Allison-Antrim Museum is continuing its research into how Greencastle got its name. There are conflicting references in William P. Conrad's books and news articles and other history book references. Some indicate that the immigrants left from the Greencastle on the border of County Antrim and the city of Belfast. Other references are made to the Greencastle in County Donegal. A third twist is the fact that there were two large houses in Elizabethan times in County Antrim - one was called The White House and the other 'Greencastle'. Although the house Greencastle was not actually a castle it was quite large in comparison to the cottages dotted about it, and according to Archie Reid, to the people who lived in its proximity it probably seemed like a castle. Or, could our town have been named after General Green of the Revolutionary War? The museum will continue investigating the Allison family's heritage through connections in Northern Ireland and will keep this information updated as facts are received.

Compiled by Bonnie A. Shockey

Bibliography Sources:
· History of Franklin County 1887, Warner, Beers, & Co, 1887
· Historical Sketch of Franklin County, Pennsylvania, I. H. McCauley, Publisher - John M. Pomeroy, 1878
· Conococheague - A History of the Greencastle-Antrim Community 1736-1971, William P. Conrad, 1971
· Shelter for His Excellency, Le Roy Greene, Stackpole Books, Harrisburg, 1951
· A History of Pennsylvania, Klein and Hoogenboom, Penn State University, 1980
· Archie Reid, President of Ballyclare Historical Society, County Antrim, Northern Ireland, www.ollar.utvinternet.com
· Various newspaper articles

More information on Greencastle-Antrim and John Allison can be found under History on the Web site.

More information click on Greencastle-Antrim and John Allison

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Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:11:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marie Buchanan
Subject: Human spirits and demons in New Orleans
To: marielovesashley@yahoo.ca

Click To Help Reunite A Pastor and His Wife!!!

Listen to what they keep saying about the Bibles they find.

Soldiers in New Orleans are reporting the seeing of Human spirits and demons in New Orleans clean up as reported by CBS news.

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Please Help To Reunite A Pastor And His Wife!!!

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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:00:00 +0800
To: marielovesashley@yahoo.ca
From: FBIS News Service
Subject: [FBIS Mailing List] ROCK MUSICIANS AS MEDIUMS

ROCK MUSICIANS AS MEDIUMS

Updated April 19, 2007 (last updated January 2,
2002; first published June 16, 2001) (David
Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service,
P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for
instructions about subscribing and unsubscribing
or changing addresses, see the information
paragraph at the end of the article) -

In the following statements, rock musicians
testify of an outside power that has taken over
them while writing and performing rock music.
Some of them have actually identified this power
as demonic:

JIMI HENDRIX' girlfriend, Fayne Pridgon, said:
"He used to always talk about some devil or
something was in him, you know. He didn't know
what made him act the way he acted and what made
him say the things he said, and the songs and
different things like that Š just came out of
him. It seems to me he was so tormented and just
torn apart and like he really was obsessed, you
know, with something really evil" (sound track
from film Jimi Hendrix, interview with Fayne
Pridgon, side 4, cited by Heartbeat of the
Dragon, p. 50).

"In the end you have to look at a song and not
know exactly where it came from" (BRUCE
SPRINGSTEIN, Dateline, Dec. 14, 1998).

Robert Plant and Jimmy Page of LED ZEPPELIN both
claim that they don't know who wrote their
occultic song Stairway to Heaven. Plant
testified: "Pagey had written the chords and
played them for me. I was holding the paper and
pencil, and for some reason, I was in a very bad
mood. Then all of a sudden my hand was writing
out words. Š I just sat there and looked at the
words and then I almost leaped out of my seat"
(Robert Plant, quoted by Stephen Davis, Hammer of
the Gods, p. 164).

"I've always considered that there was some way
where we were able to channel energy, and that
energy was able to be, from another source, if
you like, like a higher power or something, that
was actually doing the work. I've often thought
of us just being actually just the earthly beings
that played the music because it was uncanny.
Some of this music came out extremely uncanny"
(Bill Ward of BLACK SABBATH, cited in Black
Sabbath An Oral History, p. 7).

"It's amazing, 'cause sometimes when we're on
stage, I feel like somebody's just moving the
pieces. ... I'm just going, 'God, we don't have
any control over this.' And that's magic" (Stevie
Nicks of FLEETWOOD MAC, Circus, April 14, 1971).

ANGUS YOUNG, lead guitarist for AC-DC, is called
the "guitar demon"; and he admitted that
something takes control of the band during their
concerts: "... it's like I'm on automatic pilot.
By the time we're halfway through the first
number someone else is steering me. I'm just
along for the ride. I become possessed when I get
on stage" (Hit Parader, July 1985, p. 60).

"We receive our songs by inspiration, like at a
seance" (Keith Richards of the ROLLING STONES,
Rolling Stone, May 5, 1977, p. 55).

"I was directed and commanded by another power.
The power of darkness ... that a lot of people
don't believe exists. The power of the Devil.
Satan" (LITTLE RICHARD, cited by Charles White,
The Life and Times of Little Richard, p. 206).

"You can't describe it [playing rock music]
except to say it's like a mysterious energy that
comes from the metaphysical plane and into my
body. It's almost like being a medium...." (Marc
Storace, vocalist with heavy-metal band KROKUS,
Circus, January 31, 1984, p. 70).

"They [The Beatles] were like mediums. They
weren't conscious of all they were saying, but it
was coming through them" (YOKO ONO, The Playboy
Interviews with John Lennon and Yoko Ono,
Berkeley, 1982, p. 106.).

"[Of his music JOHN LENNON said] "It's like being
possessed: like a psychic or a medium" (The
Playboy Interviews, p. 203).

"It's amazing that it [the tune to 'In My Life']
just came to me in a dream. That's why I don't
profess to know anything. I think music is very
mystical" (John Lennon, quoted in "The Beatles
Come Together," Reader's Digest, March 2001).

"I felt like a hollow temple filled with many
spirits, each one passing through me, each
inhabiting me for a little time and then leaving
to be replaced by another" (John Lennon, People,
Aug. 22, 1988, p. 70).

"When the real music comes to me, it has nothing
to do with me 'cause I'm just a channel. It's
given to me and I transcribe it" (John Lennon,
quoted by Mickey Hart, Spirit into Sound: The
Magic of Music, p. 134).

"The music to 'Yesterday' came in a dream. The
tune just came complete. You have to believe in
magic. I can't read or write music" (PAUL
MCCARTNEY, interview on Larry King Live, CNN,
June 12, 2001).

"I wake up from dreams and go 'Wow, put this down
on paper,' the whole thing is strange. You hear
the words, everything is right there in front of
your face. I feel that somewhere, someplace it's
been done and I'm just a courier bringing it into
the world" (MICHAEL JACKSON, Rolling Stone, Feb.
17, 1983).

"When I hit the stage it's all of a sudden a
'magic' from somewhere that comes and the spirit
just hits you, and you just lose control of
yourself" (Michael Jackson, Teen Beat: A Tribute
to Michael Jackson, Summer 1984, p. 27).

"A lot of the songs were written in 15-30
minutes, very stream-of-consciousness, as though
it was being channeled through us" (Alanis
Morissette, quoted from Hells Bells2 by Eric
Holmberg).

"When the Siberian shaman gets ready to go into
his trance, all the villagers get together... and
play whatever instruments they have to send him
off [into trance and possession]. Š It was the
same way with The Doors when we played in
concert... I think that our drug experience let
us get into it... [the trance state] quicker....
It was like Jim [Morrison] was an electric shaman
and we were the electric shaman's band, pounding
away behind him. Sometimes he wouldn't feel like
getting into the state, but the band would keep
on pounding and pounding, and little by little it
would take him over. God, I could send an
electric shock through him with the organ. John
could do it with his drumbeats" (DOORS
keyboardist Ray Manzarek, cited by Jerry Hopkins
and Daniel Sugerman, No One Here Gets Out Alive,
pp. 158-60).

"That certain feeling happened to me in a big way
quite often with the first King Crimson. Amazing
things would happen--I mean, telepathy, qualities
of energy, things that I had never experienced
before with music Š you can't tell whether the
music is playing the musician or the musician is
playing the music" (Robert Fripp, guitarist for
KING CRIMSON, Down Beat, June 1985, p. 61).

"I believe inspiration comes through me and that
I channel it" (Jim Kerr, SIMPLE MINDS, cited by
Steve Turner, Hungry for Heaven, p. 147).

John McLaughlin, leader of MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA,
testified: "One night we were playing and
suddenly the spirit entered into me, and I was
playing, but it was no longer me playing" (The
Rock Report, p. 58).

Glen Tipton of JUDAS PRIEST says, "I just go
crazy when I go onstage Š it's like someone else
takes over my body" (Hit Parader, Fall 1984, p.
6).

In 1974, JONI MITCHELL told the press of a male
spirit who helps her write music. "Joni Mitchell
credits her creative powers to a 'male muse' she
identifies as Art. He has taken so much control
of not only her music, but her life, that she
feels married to him, and often roams naked with
him on her 40-acre estate. His hold over her is
so strong that she will excuse herself from
parties and forsake lovers whenever he 'calls'"
(Why Knock Rock? p. 112, citing Time magazine,
Dec. 16, 1974, p. 39).

GINGER BAKER, drummer for the popular '60s band
CREAM, said: "It happens to us quite often--it
feels as though I'm not playing my instrument,
something else is playing it and that same thing
is playing all three of our instruments. That's
what I mean when I say it's frightening
sometimes. Maybe we'll all play the same phrase
out of nowhere. It happens very often with us"
(Bob Larson, Rock and the Church, p. 66).

JOE COCKER, who contorts grotesquely during his
performances, claims that something "seizes" him
when he songs rock & roll (Time magazine, cited
by Bob Larson, Rock and the Church, p. 66).

"When I'm singing and in touch with the energy
I'm generating, I sometimes literally have no
awareness of where I am. The ego disappears, and
me and my surroundings with it. Š that's the
reason I'm in music--to achieve that feeling"
(Daryl Oates of HALL AND OATES, interview with
Timothy White, 1987, Rock Lives, p. 592).

The original recording of "I Put a Spell on You"
was done after the SCREAMIN' JAY HAWKINS and his
band members got drunk and "some type of presence
seemed to seize him." He began "grunting,
growling, screaming, gurgling in strange unknown
tongues, and wildly dancing around the studio"
(Heartbeat of the Dragon, p. 40).

"Rock has always been the devil's music, you
can't convince me that it isn't. I honestly
believe everything I've said-I believe rock and
roll is dangerous. Š I feel that we're only
heralding something even darker than ourselves"
(DAVID BOWIE, Rolling Stone, February 12, 1976,
p. 83).

"[CARLOS] SANTANA keeps a yellow legal pad handy
to record the music when it comes to him 'just
like a fax machine'" (Rolling Stone, March 16,
2000, p. 41).

"I really wish I knew why I've done some of the
things I've done over the years. I don't know if
I'm a medium for some outside source. Whatever it
is, frankly, I hope it's not what I think it
is-Satan" (OZZY OSBOURNE, Hit Parader, February
1978, p. 24).

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Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:34:13 +0800
To: marielovesashley@yahoo.ca
From: FBIS News Service
Subject: [FBIS Mailing List] SURVEY OF CHRISTIAN MEN ON THE SUBJECT OF
WOMEN'S CLOTHING

SURVEY OF CHRISTIAN MEN ON THE SUBJECT OF WOMEN'S CLOTHING

May 1, 2007 (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron,
MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for
instructions about subscribing and unsubscribing
or changing addresses, see the information
paragraph at the end of the article) -

The following is from the author's new book,
"Dressing from the Lord," which is available from
Way of Life Literature. It is not yet available
for order via the online catalog but can be
ordered by phone or e-mail (866-295-4143,
fbns@wayoflife.org).

I sent out a notice to the Fundamental Baptist
Information Service e-mail list and asked the
following question of the men on the list who are
members of fundamentalist and independent Baptist
churches:

"In your opinion, which of the following items of
female dress cause a real potential for lust?"

short skirts
tight skirts
slit skirts
long skirts with slits to the knees
sleeveless blouses
low cut blouses and dresses
tight blouses
sheer blouses
T-shirts
V-neck dresses
form-fitting jeans
looser-fitting pants
shorts
one piece bathing suits

[We included peddle pushers and capris in the
original survey but most of the men did not know
what they are, so it turned out that the comments
on those items were too irrelevant to include in
this book.]

My objective in this is to help girls and women
in strong Bible-believing churches to understand
how men think, not only men in the world or men
in churches in general but men in the very
churches that they attend.

I received a flood of response to this survey. In
just one day I received well over 100 responses
from men ages 24 to 74 and from many parts of the
world, and that was on a weekend, and they are
still coming in a week and a half later. This
tells me that there is a readiness on the part of
men to let women understand how they see this
issue.

As you will see, the responses were very earnest.
The men are discouraged that lust is such a
powerful temptation in their lives, and they
admitted that it is so. Some of the men literally
begged me to tell the women that their manner of
dress is important and that they need to
understand how men look at things.

One man wrote: "Thank you for this request. This
area is the greatest challenge in my life -- in
all honesty to a brother-in-the-Blood."

The following was also typical:

"I have been saved for about eight years and the
lust issue is huge for me and for all men. ... I
need God every day to help me stay away from
lust. Short Skirts, tight blouses, slit dresses
are all over. You can't look at billboards,
grocery store waiting line magazine racks,
Internet advertisements, walking in the park, or
any store. You get my point; it's everywhere. ...
I have to pray everyday for God to keep lust out
of my way. I wish I was born into a good Bible
believing church and was brought up to stay away
from lustful sin. To answer your question it
would have to be anything short or tight on a
woman. I look forward to the cold winters up
north when women cover everything up."

Another man said:

"That our society drenches every inch of media in
sexually explicit advertising is a source of much
temptation, sadness and concern for this man.
Facing that sort of issue with Christian sisters
in a church setting is most grievous."

Most of the men observed that their response to a
woman's immodest dress depends on their spiritual
condition and acknowledged that they have a
responsibility before God not to lust after women
regardless of how they are dressed.

For example, one man said: "Men are sight
oriented creatures. The Lord has so equipped men
to be sexually stimulated visually. ... Men must
govern their own hearts."

Another man said: "My response to immodesty is
often dependent on the environment, situation and
my spiritual defense mechanism at a particular
moment. If I have had a wonderful prayer time and
clothed myself with all the spiritual armor, I am
usually just about OK for anything. But more
often then I would like it, I am not prepared or
I am in a vulnerable situation; then I better run
for my dear life (Gen. 39:12)."

Another man said: "While I feel that the Lord has
helped me overcome in this area [of not lusting
after women], the enemy knows my weakness and
still attacks me. In my opinion, the key to
overcoming lust are: 1) Obey God's Word,
especially the command to abstain from the very
appearance of evil; and 2) don't put yourself in
situations where you will encounter women
scantily dressed (i.e. the beach, certain
television programs, etc.). Since we are in the
world, I know that there is no way to completely
avoid the things that tempt us, but if we will
stay true to the Word of God and allow Him to
help us, we can be 'more than conquerors through
Him who loved us' (Romans 8:37)."

Many of the men also observed that this is a
heart issue. The following statement by a pastor
is typical of those made by many others:

"I believe the most important issue in female
modesty is the issue of a chaste heart. If the
woman desires to please her Saviour and honor her
brother in Christ, there is seldom an issue with
the clothing she wears. Mandating modest clothing
without focusing on creating a chaste heart does
little good. If the woman wears 'modest' clothing
but is sensual in the way she walks or conducts
herself, it will invariably cause a man to lust.
I don't need to see skin to cause me to lust. We
men have pretty good imaginations."

As to the individual items of dress, the men made the following points:

First of all, many of the men replied that all of
the aforementioned female dress styles hold a
real potential for lust. The following two
statements were typical:

"I believe that ALL you had listed cause a 'potential' for lust."

"I think that ALL of the listed items can cause
lust. The bottom line for me is that anything
that is form fitting, exposing, sheer, or
clinging to a woman is immodest and can cause men
to lust."

Comments on the specific items of apparel fell along the following lines:

SHORT SKIRTS AND SHORT DRESSES AND SHORTS hold a
very serious potential for lust for men. One man
said, "The higher up on a woman's leg, the more
lustful/tempting it becomes."

TIGHT CLOTHING is at least as much of a potential
problem for men as skimpy clothing. Most of the
men indicated that TIGHT SKIRTS AND TIGHT BLOUSES
AND FORM-FITTING JEANS AND ONE-PIECE BATHING
SUITS hold a "VERY great potential" for lust. One
man said tight skirts are "very inviting and a
potential for lust." Another said of tight
clothing, "You don't even need to see skin; they
provide all the curves." Another said: "I would
say the number one problem is any garment that is
form fitting, be it jeans, pants, skirt, dress,
shirt, whatever. Anything that is tight, no
matter how long it is, leaves nothing to the
imagination, and that defeats the whole purpose
of covering the skin in the first place!" Another
said: "One thing I see in my church is tight
clothing. Oh, it may very well be covering but it
is revealing the shape in a woman. This can be
even more tantalizing to a man." Another wrote:
"The point is that it is not the type of clothing
that can trip a man up, rather it is the amount
and the level of cling to the body." One man said
that since one-piece bathing suits are "skin
tight" he does "not think any red blooded normal
man could look purely on a woman attired like
this." Some of the men also mentioned LOW-RIDING
JEANS as a cause for serious concern, because not
only do they totally emphasize the woman's figure
but they are also suggestive of a bare midriff
even if covered with a T-shirt. The T-shirt in
such a case is invariably tight, of course.

SLIT SKIRTS AND SLIT DRESSES are a problem for
many men. One man answered the question of
whether slit skirts are a real potential for lust
with the reply, "Oh! Yes." One man said that slit
skirts "tempt your imagination." Another called
the slit skirt the "peek-a-boo" skirt, while
another said the slit is "designed to catch the
eye." A pastor said, "They are a teasing game,
catching the attention of a guy's eyes with the
promise of more; it is an enticement to sin." One
man said: "My belief is that any slit (whether it
be a long, medium, or short skirt) provides a
flash of skin that is enticing to the eye and the
flesh of men. It is the 'forbidden fruit,' so to
speak, that is covered and when the woman sits or
moves just right, that part of the leg is exposed
and it is all a man needs to think about what he
just saw or what else he could see." Another man
said: "I know that many women cannot begin to
understand how that a skirt or dress that is 2
inches off the floor in length, but has a long
slit anywhere on it, front, back or side, can
cause a man to lust. They think that we are
pathetic, and unfortunately I have to agree."
Another man said: "For me personally, slits draw
my eyes where they shouldn't be drawn. If anyone
knows anything about advertising, he would know
that advertisers use lines to draw people's eyes
where they want (company logo, name, whatever).
Slits in skirts do exactly the same thing."
Another observed, "If the slit is there because
the dress or skirt is too tight, why not wear a
loose skirt?" Some men said that the slits are
not a problem if they are not above the knee.

SHEER BLOUSES OR DRESSES are a problem for the
vast majority of men. One man said, "I see a lot
of Christian women wearing sun dresses in the
summer because they are cool. They are also
revealing and alluring. Most summer clothes are
thin so as to be more comfortable. But you let
that woman wearing these clothes stand with a
light source behind her (such as the sun) and
there is nothing left to the imagination. You can
see her form in every detail and it will get men
frothing at the mouth, lusting after that woman.
Is it the man's fault for not controlling his
flesh and desires even though it is there for him
to see? Absolutely! But it is equally the woman's
fault for not having enough godliness about her
to dress modestly in the first place."

Even LOOSER-FITTING FEMALE PANTS, while not as
much of a problem as form-fitting jeans, hold a
potential problem for many men. One man said,
"While it
is true that some things on your list will draw
your attention quicker and cause you to look
longer, even 'looser-fitting pants' direct a
man's gaze to the area of the hips." Another
wrote: "A few years ago, I preached a message
about standards (including music, dress, and
others). I asked for a show of hands as to how
many men would admit their eyes were drawn to a
woman's crotch when she wore pants instead of a
skirt or dress. More than two dozen hands went up
(and who knows how many more were hesitant to
make the public confession with their wives right
next to them?). The group included many of the
finest Christians I know, some of whom are
ordained ministers and missionaries." Many men
mentioned the unisex aspect of looser pants on
women.

As for V-NECK DRESSES, most men said they are not
a problem as long as the V is shallow. A few said
the V-neck itself, even if not too low, can be a
problem because it acts like an arrow pointing to
a place where their eyes should not roam.

As for SLEEVELESS BLOUSES, many of the men
mentioned that they can be a problem because they
can allow a man to see something he should not
see and "the potential for peeking is there." A
pastor commented, "There is too much of an
opportunity for parts of a woman's anatomy to
inadvertently show through to the public that are
only to be revealed to her husband in private."
One man said: "One word about sleeveless dresses
or tops. When the woman has her arm raised or in
a certain position, the sleeve hole will open in
just a way that you can see inside her shirt and
see the woman's underwear or even more. No woman,
much less a Christian woman, should ever wear
clothing that reveals her body!"

When it comes to T-SHIRTS on females, the men
said they are not a problem unless they are tight
or expose the midriff or you can see through them
or they have writings/logos/pictures at the
breast level. One pastor said: "It depends on the
fit, cut, thickness of the material and color. A
modest T-shirt would be loose fitting,
non-see-through, of a thick enough material to
truly be modest. Unfortunately very few T-shirts
fit these qualifications." One man said: "My wife
sews attractive vests that she and our daughter
wear over T-shirts. It's a way of using clever
camouflage to be modest." One woman mentioned
another problem with T-shirts: "I have a problem
with smart-alecky T-shirts. I have a hard time
finding T-shirts for my daughter sometimes, not
so much from a tightness standpoint, but they
have inappropriate sayings on them that encourage
a worldly attitude, rebellion against parents,
etc." A man wrote along similar lines in regard
to "Christian T-shirts," warning about "Jesus
T-shirts like 'This Blood's For You,' etc., that
really degrade the message of Scripture."

CONSIDER SOME EXCERPTS FROM THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE MEN:

"I do believe most women just do not know how men
think. Period. I believe that there is a whole
segment, group, class of women, who, if they
really understood men, would change their dress
code, because they do want to please God. Not all
women, by far, but some would. They just need to
understand it's not just a list of do's and
don'ts set forth to force them in to
'frumpiness,' but a desire of godly men to gain
their cooperation in helping them NOT lust, and
to not be stumbling blocks, because they just
want to please God."

"MANY WOMEN, USUALLY YOUNGER, DRESS TO ATTRACT
MEN AND DO NOT KNOW HOW DANGEROUS IT TRULY CAN BE
FOR THEM. Š I am a retired criminal investigator
and worked criminal work for 17 1/2 years of my
career. I think many homicides and serious
physical assaults in addition to the obvious sex
crimes are brought about by immodest dress and
any born again Christian woman should never dress
as such. A sexual predator can be turned on and
be as dangerous as a hand grenade with the pin
pulled by a women that has the one turn on factor
for his mind (which is a variable with such
criminals) which could be any of the listed ways
of dressing."

"I am glad you are addressing this issue. This
issue along with worldly music has come into
fundamental churches like a tidal wave. Thank you
for being a watchman!"

"I have to admit some of the dresses that are
worn even though the dress hits the floor, and
some of the blouses, even though it goes all the
way to the neck, are very form fitting. I don't
think that women are out to stumble the men of
the church, and nor am I saying that women need
to walk around in sacks. There are sometimes when
a lady is doing a special music or something that
I have to look away that I may not stumble. In
summation I think that all of the clothing you
have listed that is form fitting and shows the
curves of a woman is a real potential for lust."

"I am a 24-year-old, unmarried man. I am very
glad that you are asking us men about this issue,
because it has been my experience that women
truly do not understand the things that can run
through a man's head when he sees an
immodestly-dressed woman. For a God-fearing man,
this is a true concern. Fashionable clothing is
not, as far as I can tell, designed by
God-fearing Christians with any interest in
modesty. Sex sells, and sexy clothing sells. Š I
have talked to women I know about the dress issue
and told them that when they wear certain things,
no matter how 'covered up' they may be, the fit
of the clothing still makes a huge difference.
Some women have told me that it is a man's fault
for having such a dirty mind or for letting it
get to a point where lust becomes a problem, but
the fact is men seem specifically prone to these
types of thoughts. In North American culture we
are inundated with sex. Everywhere we look there
is a provocatively dressed (or practically
undressed) woman selling something, and I think
that women (and men) need to seriously consider
the way they dress and how it affects members of
the opposite sex. The last place I want to have
to worry about lust is in my church. AS
CHRISTIANS, IT IS NOT OUR PLACE TO SAY, 'WELL, I
JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MEN CAN'T LOOK AT ME
DRESSED LIKE THIS AND NOT BATTLE WITH LUSTING
THOUGHTS.' INSTEAD, WE NEED TO TAKE IT FOR TRUTH
WHEN A PERSON OF THE OPPOSITE SEX INFORMS US THAT
OUR DRESS IS CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THEM, AND DO
WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO PROTECT OUR BROTHERS AND
SISTERS FROM STUMBLING."

"I am 64 years old now and walking with the Lord
Jesus through life. Earlier in my life I was a
womanizer as a single man for a long time. MY
FEELINGS OF WOMEN DRESSING IMMODESTLY ARE STRONG,
AS I KNOW THE SADNESS THAT INFIDELITY, LUSTFUL
SIN AND ADULTERY BRING ABOUT TO MANY, AND
IMMODEST DRESS IS A PRECURSOR TO THE
AFOREMENTIONED ACTIVITIES."

"All men are aroused in one way or the other over
revealed flesh. That is exactly why these clothes
are made this way. I know some men are more
easily aroused than others but normally any man
is naturally inclined (by our sinful nature) to
take notice of a woman wearing any garment that
is revealing flesh. I THINK IT IS A SHAME TO COME
TO CHURCH AFTER A WEEK IN THIS EVIL WORLD AND
WANT TO ENJOY A SERVICE OF WORSHIP AND PRAISE TO
THE LORD AND FELLOWSHIP AMONG SEPARATED PEOPLE
AND SEE WOMEN DRESSING LIKE THE WORLD AND WHEN
YOU CONFRONT THEM ABOUT THIS YOU ALWAYS GET THE
SAME OLD LINE 'WELL IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU'VE
GOT THE PROBLEM.' Well, I always wonder why a
woman who loves the Lord and wants to please the
Lord would want to dress like the world and have
men looking at her in a carnal way. When I see a
woman in a store in town and she is dressed a
certain conservative way, I always think, 'I bet
she is a Christian.' IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE
CHARACTER OF A WOMAN WHEN SHE SHUNS THE STYLES OF
THIS WORLD AND WALKS IN SUCH A WAY THAT SHE WANTS
TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT SHE IS DIFFERENT."

"One of the sad things I observe in church is the
control that the fashion world has over women and
the lack of communication between man and wife. I
have been saved for 45 years come August and have
been in an independent Baptist Church for 40
years. Š I see women and teenagers in our church
and have to look away or up so as not to be seen
looking at how they are dressed. Modesty seems to
be an archaic word to many and it grieves me."

"I am 55 years old and I am BROKENHEARTED over
the dress of a great number of females in the
churches I visit. Oh, if I could only talk to
moms and dads. I have never been married but
lived in the world many years. I beg you,
preacher, tell them that wearing ANYTHING that
draws attention to a particular area,
accentuating ANY form or flesh, is a great
distraction for me. Please, stop wearing TIGHT
clothing, exposing flesh, and wearing articles of
clothing with writing on them. How many times
have I had to turn my eyes away, or worry, did I
look too long, did somebody notice me looking? I
wish I could talk to a group of women and just
tell them, because I know many don't really
realize what a distraction it is. [Surely] they
don't want the brethren to sin. I can't believe
how some of these young girls dress. Don't they
know the things we cherish, we must protect. I
don't care about peer pressure; clothing is an
opportunity to share your faith when people see a
difference. Remember that man and (wo)man looks
at the outward appearance. We have to be
separated and yes a 'PECULIAR' people. Men are
tempted and aroused by the things they SEE. David
was tempted when he SAW Bathsheba; Herod was
tempted when he SAW Salome dance; when Samson
'saw a women in Timnath,' he wanted her because
her looks 'pleased' him."

"I want to mention the present trend of embossing
brand names across the seat of women's
trousers/pants/shorts/skirts. No imagination
needed to explain that."

"I travel a bit, and as I'm walking through a
crowded airport looking around, I tend more to
notice things like short skirts, skirts or
dresses with slits that come to or above the
knee, low-cut blouses or dresses, sheer blouses,
or tight-fitting anything. Clothing that
accentuates or draws attention to one part of the
body seems more noticeable to me. I believe that
clothing absolutely can draw attention to the
woman's body and that once attention is there,
the potential, perhaps even likelihood, for lust
isn't far behind."

"From what I see in the way many woman and teens
dress, Christians included, many act like they
are 'for sale' or are very ignorant of what they
are doing to their image. That's the way I see
things on this issue."

"The more skin I see, the more I have to force
myself to look away from that individual. It
brings back the past [before I was saved]. It
seems like some women flaunt their bodies. What
they are saying by their clothes, 'Don't look at
my face, look at my body!' Š I am all for modesty
and I wish all churches had a dress code. Not
just in church but also out of church. Skin is a
distraction! More skin; more sin."

"I agree with you about the lack of understanding
from most women about the male weakness in the
area of lust. The average Christian woman today
seems to think, 'If you've got it, flaunt it.' I
actually had one woman who used to be in my
church saying that. Š God's final act of creation
was His most beautiful. A normal man would agree
with this. This sets us apart from the animal
kingdom. In animals the male is the most
attractive. The female is often rather dowdy.
Humans are reversed. Š A godly woman can dress
attractively and properly by following a few
simple thoughts. Do the clothes she is wearing
draw a man's eyes to her face or to her other
body parts? Is the clothing she is wearing
obviously feminine and modest and not made for
men?"

"Thanks so much for addressing this issue. I am a
Christian who has been doing street ministry for
many years, and full time now for 20 years. I am
also a single dad (wife died of cancer almost 9
years ago) of four sons, three under 18. I have
concentrated on work in the public housing areas.
To say I have seen it all would be an under
statement. ONE OF THE SADDEST THINGS AND HARDEST
TO FIGHT AGAINST HAS BEEN THE FACT THAT THE
'STREET' AND THE CHURCH NOW SEEM TO BE EQUAL IN
THEIR APPROACH TO FEMALE SEXUALITY AND ITS
EXPRESSION. THERE SEEMS TO BE NO BOTTOM TO THE
LEVEL THAT MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARE WILLING TO
ALLOW IN THE WAY OF WHAT CAN BE WORN TO CHURCH
AND CHURCH FUNCTIONS. As a man who is deeply
concerned that my sons do not get exposed to this
type of thing I find myself upset a lot about
what goes on. It is obvious that many of these
girls are not only NOT taught to be modest, but
their parents have bought them the clothes that
they wear to flaunt their sexuality in. Sadly
enough, I would have to say that there is no part
of the female body that I haven't seen in church.
Short skirts, low cut blouses, halter tops, tiny
two-piece bathing suits, and bathing suits with
high cut in back seem to prevail in church
activities. ... To go to the heart of the issue I
would have to say that there appears to be many
church men who revel in their daughters' budding
sexuality."

"To answer your request on women's dress and
modesty, I have to paraphrase a statement made
many years ago by a Christian minister of
national acclaim. His subject was Christian women
and the way they dress that would tempt Christian
men as well as worldly men to lust after them.
It's been so many years ago that he preached the
message that I can't quote directly, but in
essence what he said was that any Christian man
that said he wasn't affected by seeing a
Christian sister in the short skirts, tight
skirts etc. (in other words most of all of the
items on your list, in fact I would include one
or two more) the preacher would pay for that
man's physical exam. Blunt but to the point. Š We
as Christians are not to do anything to cause our
Christian Brother or Sister to stumble, but THIS
SUBJECT OF MODESTY (BOTH WOMEN AND MEN) IS NOT
OFTEN PREACHED ON. Š I remember reading an
article in a book about how culture has changed
in the USA. In the early 1940's, a man could be
reprimanded on the beach at Atlantic City for not
wearing a top to his bathing suit. What we have
now is close to nudity, especially for the women.
My wife and I will not vacation at a beach so
that we don't subject ourselves to the near
nudity of the people there. Š One of the biggest
mediums for temptation is the nudity that is seen
on television (which we got rid of close to 30
years ago because of commercials and
programming). Next to that are 99% of the
magazine articles and advertising. But yet little
if anything is mentioned from the pulpits about
the influence of these two mediums."

"All of those items of female dress cause a real
potential for lust. WHY SHOULD A MAN HAVE TO
BATTLE WITH LUST DURING A CHURCH SERVICE WHEN IT
IS HARD ENOUGH JUST TO WALK IN A WORLD FULL OF
SENSUALITY? IF WOMEN ONLY KNEW THE SNARE OF
TEMPTATION THAT IS SET BEFORE OUR EYES. Even if
it is a fraction of a second and a man turns his
head away, the battle can still rage in the mind
just from a mere glimpse. I honestly believe that
many of them know exactly what they are doing.
Why else would they dress like the rebellious
world?"

"It seems the last few years as the churches have
grown more liberal and the women show more skin,
I HAVE TO FIGHT HARDER TO KEEP MY MIND STRAIGHT.
I am happily married. I do not and will not
stray. Š I wish women could just take the Bible
for what it says. Yes, the Lord made us men this
way. Š I think the most beautiful thing God
created on this earth is a woman, and Satan knows
it to. That is just the way I feel."

"As a Christian come back in from 20 years in the
world, I can see this situation very well. I
still tend to 'rate' (if you will) women
physically by shape and presentation in my mind.
This is a battle that must constantly be fought
by one who gave in to lust in the past. A WOMAN
IN A NICE DRESS WITH LITTLE EXPOSED IS PLEASING
TO THE EYE AND STOPS AT THAT."

"I attend a very conservative independent
fundamental Baptist church, where the pastor and
his wife lead by example. Unfortunately, I see
that oftentimes, some of the women in our church,
though they always wear dresses or skirts to
church and though they are always below the knee,
THEY ARE STILL A BIT TOO CONCERNED WITH
'FASHION,' AND SOMETIMES COMPROMISE TRUE MODESTY
FOR 'LOOKING GOOD' OR BEING FASHIONABLE. It is
often an 'issue' for me. Many of these ladies are
dear sweet Christian women, devoted wives,
dedicated servants, and I don't believe they
INTEND to be a distraction. I just don't think
they realize!"

"My wife and I are the nursery directors at our
church, and we are constantly having to interact
with workers and mothers. Sometimes I find myself
having to do a 'check' on where my eyes are being
drawn, and where my thoughts are headed, and I
have to PURPOSE to not think that way, or to just
not look at them while I'm talking to them, to
distract myself with something else (hmmm, that
wall needs a new coat of paint, or that floor
needs vacuuming, or we're out of paper towels).
How do I tell them? I'm sure they would be
mortified if they realized they were even
remotely emitting a 'sexy' quality. That's not to
say some women don't intend to look sexy. Š One
woman in particular, who is very attractive (even
my wife says so), USED to dress very stylish, in
expensive, designer clothes that were hip, cool,
young, modern, but seemed clueless as to the
biblical boundaries she was overstepping. After
our pastor preached on the subject of modesty, my
wife and I noticed - IMMEDIATELY - that this
lady's wardrobe changed completely. It was like
the light went on and she responded with humility
and gratitude for the message. Now, she still
looks stylish, but is much more conservative,
appropriate, and modest in her attire. It's truly
a relief. Now when we see her coming, we're
actually glad to see her because we know she's
not going to make us feel uncomfortable because
of her sexy-ish clothes."

"I would agree that while some women are out and
out Jezebels there are others who do not
understand how a man is affected by a woman's
modesty (or lack thereof). One of my major
concerns is that we have strayed from the
question of how to standardize modesty. Almost
anywhere I go anymore I hear the argument on the
length of skirts. 'It's below the knee.' When did
the definition of modesty begin with how far
below the knee it goes? ... Why is it just
length? Form-fitting, slit-skirted, bare legs,
and everything else you mentioned in your list
are a magnet for a man's eyes. While this has not
been a problem at our church, it is becoming an
issue with churches I would never have expected.
I get irritated when I have to look in another
direction rather than see an immodest woman in
church. The point of the irritation is not that I
am looking away but the fact that I have to do so
in Independent Fundamental circles. ... I guess I
get more and more frustrated with dress
standards. We preach of the immorality of the
world, television that is filled with
homosexuality, nudity, and the internet filled
with almost any type of perversion you want. OUR
SOCIETY HAS DEGENERATED TO ANIMAL-LIKE SEXUALITY
WHERE THERE ARE NO RULES AND LITTLE DISCUSSION OF
CONSEQUENCES, AND OUR ANSWER SHOULD BE TO SHOW
HOW DIFFERENT WE ARE FROM THEM (which is less and
less). I do not care how different our ladies are
from the world; this is not the standard of
comparison. The standard of comparison is how
much they are like Christ -- and He is nothing
like this world. 'Ye therefore, beloved, seeing
ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye
also, being led away with the error of the
wicked, fall from your own stedfastness' (2 Peter
3:17).

"Almost all of the styles you listed serve to in
some way accentuate, reveal, or tantalize the
senses of men. Men are very liable to visual
temptation. Even Job realized that (Job 31:1).
The Psalmist did, too (Psa. 101:3). The ladies
need to know that there is a need to have a heart
of modesty that will give them the desire to
strengthen and honor their brothers in Christ. If
that happens, modesty will be a matter of heart
and dress, and not simply a legalistic issue."

"I suspect I have to deal with this most every
day of my life. Consider the magazines in the
grocery store checkout area. Most Christian women
are oblivious to modesty, but the folks that
design most of the clothes in most clothing
stores where Christian women make purchases are
not ignorant of what they are doing. The modestly
dressed individual is a rare breed in this part
of the country. I do know a few families, very
few, who have decided to be different. But they
cause me to look in amazement."

"I am a red blooded, fully functional, American
man, who desires to have his thoughts and words
be acceptable to God. I have been happily married
for 28 years. THE BIBLICAL ISSUE OF MODESTY IS
BEST UNDERSTOOD BY AN UNDERSTANDING OF
DEFRAUDING. No one should take any action whereby
he causes desires to be raised in another that
cannot be righteously satisfied. ... That our
society drenches every inch of media in sexually
explicit advertising is a source of much
temptation, sadness and concern for this man.
Facing that sort of issue with Christian sisters
in a church setting is most grievous. I believe
the phrase 'long, loose and lots of it' should be
the motto of Christian women's apparel. ...
Before knowing her husband, my bride had no idea
of how men think, or how easily stimulated they
are. I hope my candor may be of some value to
Christian sisters who are trying to live holy
lives. I try to tell young ladies that I can
influence for good, that the kind of fish you
catch depends on what you bait your hook with,
and where you cast your line. If you can't catch
a man in church with a modest dress on, you don't
want him anyway!"

"You are absolutely right about women not seeing
these dangers. THEY CAN DEMAND BIBLE VERSES TO
BACK UP THE ASSERTION THAT CERTAIN CLOTHES CAUSE
LUST ALL DAY LONG, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT IF THESE
CLOTHES CAUSE MEN TO LUST, THEY ARE PARTICIPATING
IN THE PROBLEM whether there are specific
Scriptures to exclude every piece of clothing
that designers can conceive."

"In my personal opinion, I think the styles that
expose the bosom or the tight form of the bosom
present the majority of the problem because it is
more accepted to show that area in our society as
opposed to the upper thigh or lower buttocks."

"Personally, I see women (including independent
Baptist church-goers and staff) causing potential
for lust in all the clothing you listed. The
point is that it is not the type of clothing that
can trip a man up; rather it is the amount and
the level of cling to the body. Š when I see
women dressing as I described above, I can't
avoid wondering why they are 'advertising' their
flesh. Is it because they are lacking in
Christian character?"

"My wife was taught as a little girl that all
attention should be drawn to her face, and that
rule has been a great guideline."

"It's not always what the attire is but how it is
worn and the woman herself. Š Excessive use of
perfume and make up -- both designed to draw men;
they should be used with wisdom. Also,
flirtatious natures and wanting to be noticed by
the opposite sex should be reigned in."

"It is the duty of every husband to make sure his
wife is properly dressed, not only for Church but
all the time. Š I have been blessed with a modest
wife. Men are weak in the area of sex and need
'the handbrake' of a modest woman to keep him on
track and his thoughts in line."

"I am certainly not proud to have to say that all
of the above items of clothing on women cause a
real potential for lust, but for me it is the
case. OF ALL OF MY CLOSE BROTHERS IN THE LORD
WHOM I HAVE TALKED WITH ON THIS SUBJECT OVER
TIME, ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT THEY STRUGGLE
WITH LUST; and it is so few women, at least where
I am, that dress modestly or even have a single
clue that there is a Biblical instruction for
them to do so. I am so thankful for my Pastor's
wife (they are new here and have planted a new
Church in my city) and her decision to dress
modestly."

"Maybe I just have a problem with lust, but I
know my own heart. There is no godly, good reason
that I should ever see from 'the neck to the
knees' of any woman other than my wife."

"IT IS AMAZING TO ME THAT HUSBANDS, FATHERS,
ETC., WOULD ALLOW THEIR WOMEN OUT IN PUBLIC
WEARING SOME OF THE THINGS WOMEN WEAR. Have they
no idea the thoughts of other men? Shame on them."

"There is a term 'not leaving anything to the
imagination.' Our Father knows, as does any man,
that men do not need any encouragement at all,
let alone a less than reverent dress style. The
fleshly man is full of imagination. Š I cannot
think of even one of the styles listed that are
appropriate for women. Unfortunately, I see them
in churches and 'Christian Schools' every day."

"Blessings to you for writing on this subject.
There is nothing I detest more than women dressed
immodestly anywhere, but most especially in
church. This is one more way for Satan to take
men's minds off of the worship of their Heavenly
Father! Women should not wear anything which
exposes or draws a man's attention to [those]
areas [that are] conducive to male lust. OH HOW I
WISH MODEST DRESSING WOULD COME BACK INTO STYLE
-- THAT BOTH MEN AND WOMEN WOULD HAVE MORE SELF
RESPECT IN GENERAL, AND PARTICULARLY MORE RESPECT
OF THE LORD'S HOUSE."

"Whatever standard the parent lives before and
requires of his/her children, the easier it will
be for the child to maintain that standard.
Usually the child never has higher standards than
the parent. If we expect lawyers, ambassadors,
etc. to look respectful and above the normal
standard, shouldn't Christians do the same?"

"Another apparel item that may be worth
mentioning is knee-high leather boots. These seem
to be more and more prevalent among Christian
women. In my opinion, these boots scream
sensuality and area real potential for generating
lust. I may be completely off base on this as my
view is certainly tainted from years of
pornography, womanizing, immorality, spending a
lot of time at barsŠetc. (from my teen years
until my mid twenties when I was saved). During
those days, however, when a woman wore knee high
boots, it would certainly attract attention for
all of the wrong reasons. Perhaps Christian women
are not aware of this? Overall, on the issue of
modesty, I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT MANY WOMEN DO
NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MEN LOOK AT THINGS IN THIS
REALM. I SUSPECT FOR MANY MEN, INCLUDING ME, THAT
LUST IS A DAILY BATTLE. I DESIRE FOR MY CHURCH
FAMILY AND CHRISTIAN FRIENDS TO BE A SAFE HAVEN
FROM TEMPTATION."

"If such things draw the attention of normal,
godly, Christian men, by definition they are
immodest, no matter what the women think."

"It is my conviction that all of the female dress
items listed are immodest for women. I am 68
years old and have been married to a wonderful,
modest lady for 49 years. I am appalled at how so
many women dress even in church. My mother is 88
years old and worked in the cotton fields
alongside my father back when we did it all by
hand. I've never seen my mother or either of my
grandmothers in pants or shorts and they all
worked in the fields. I have never seen any of
the women who raised me in any of the items that
you mentioned. I thank God for the example they
were to me. By the way, they all washed their
clothes by hand and I never saw any women's
undergarments hanging out on the clothes line for
all that passed by to look at. Proving that their
modesty went far deeper than what they put on
their bodies. It was in their heart."

"When my wife and I were first married, she wore
pants. I didn't tell her to stop, although she
would have if I told her to. She would have quit
wearing pants but she would have resented me for
telling her to do so. She had to quit wearing
them because she was convicted by the Holy Spirit
and God's Word. She was convicted and she quit
wearing pants. In fact, she dresses so modestly
that people stare at her because she dresses
differently and not because she's showing
something off. I am proud of her stance as a
Christian because she dresses this way in
obedience to the Word of God and not only in
obedience to me."

"I don't know how women can 'not' know the impact
their dress has on men. In fact I believe they do
(more than they say or let on). One thing I see
in my church is tight clothing. Oh, it may very
well be covering but it is revealing the shape in
a woman. This can be even more tantalizing to a
man. I once was at a conference and the preacher
asked a very strong Christian couple (wife
modestly dressed) who do you dress for (question
to the wife) and she said her husband. The
preacher and the congregation gave their amens. I
thought about that answer and it was an answer I
would have wanted my wife to give until to a few
years before. Now she knows I would want her to
dress for the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. I have
the potential to be carnal, and in the flesh and
to want to see her in less modest apparel. That
would never be the case with our Lord. Thus I
told her to dress for Jesus Christ."

"Our church teaches and preaches separation. Our
pastor has even compiled a small booklet on
modest dress. Having said all that, we have had
and still do have problems. In order to be a
choir member or teach Sunday School, etc., we
must sign a form saying we agree to the dress
standards as well as many other standards of
conduct. What I have seen is, yes, they are
wearing dresses, but many are far from modest. I
have had my wife ask me, 'Did you see what so and
so was wearing?' I am honest with her and I tell
her of course I did! I am a man and when a lady
exposes 50% of her breasts I can't help but
notice. I told her I don't ogle but it is a part
of a woman that men find attractive, so there I
am in God's house trying to worship God and hear
from His Word and I see these things. But she is
wearing a dress!! Form fitting clothing is
another area that is a problem. A lady can be
actually wearing a reasonably nice dress that
meets the standard, at least in their mind it
does, but the problem is that it is at least a
size too small for her! These folks are rarely
confronted because they are wearing a dress, you
know! I believe we easily forget modesty and
become lost in 'I'm wearing a dress attitude.' To
be honest I have seen more modest pants on many
lost ladies than the 'dresses on our
standard-signing church ladies.' I'm not for
pants; I'm just referring to our hypocrisy! It
shows either a lack of discernment on their part
or a worldly desire to show off their body, maybe
both. ... Sorry to vent but this has hit close to
home as I have tried to protect teenagers from
what they see 'in church.' I BELIEVE THERE IS A
TREMENDOUS LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ON THE PART OF
MOST WOMEN ABOUT WHAT THEY WEAR AND WHY. ... As I
said, our church teaches and preaches on these
things and they do a good job teaching it. It is
a spiritual issue. They know the facts. It is
accepting them and living by them that is the
problem. I have heard, 'They just want us to look
like old women.' If that means to dress modestly,
then, yes, please try to look at the older women
who are trying to teach the younger, as Titus
says, through example."

"As I was not saved until I was an adult, I was
like most men; I enjoyed the sight of the female
form. Without Christ, I had no reason not to
indulge my lusts when I looked at immodestly
dressed women. There is no shortage of flesh in
our culture; the movies, TV, music videos,
internet, etc., all promote it. After I was
saved, God began to show me through his word to
flee youthful lusts and to be like Job who made a
covenant with his eyes not to look upon a maid.
You listed several types of clothing and asked
which ones were areas of temptation. My answer
would be 'all of them!' As my wife and I began to
grow in the Lord, I made the comment to her that
IF THE AVERAGE WOMAN KNEW HOW THE AVERAGE MAN
THINKS IT WOULD CAUSE HER TO DRESS A LOT
DIFFERENTLY. I don't think women realize just how
much they expose themselves by the style of the
clothes they wear (or don't wear, as the case may
be)."

"The stark difference between Biblical modesty
and femininity was illustrated one night as
another preacher and I, along with our wives and
families, were on the street in a large city near
our home preaching and passing out gospel tracts
during a music festival. Two young women, who
were dressed very provocatively, walked by and
received the cat-calls and lewd remarks of a
couple of young guys. The boys then turned and
saw my wife standing there (she is 32), dressed
in a modest skirt and top and said, 'Oh, sorry
ma'am!' Ladies need to understand, that how they
are dressed says a lot about who they are, and
determines to some extent how they will be
treated. Scripture backs this up (Proverbs 7,
Genesis 38:15-16)."

"PASTORS NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE AS MORE
THAN JUST A 'WHEN YOU COME TO CHURCH' THING. I
believe we have created a double standard in our
independent Baptist churches in that the only
time dress is dealt with is when people are
taught that they ought to come to church 'dressed
right,' but not many deal with the fact that
believers are to glorify God in all things,
everyday, including how we dress. Christian women
have a responsibility before the Lord to be
obedient to the Bible's admonitions concerning
dress. They also have a responsibility to their
brothers in the Lord, not to cast a stumbling
block before them in the way that they dress."

"I am 60 years old and even as a younger, unsaved
man, it always seemed strange to see church-going
women dressed in that manner (and I understand
many felt they needed to do so to attract a man)
and now, in many of the more liberal churches,
and some so-called fundamental ones, the manner
of dress seems to be according to one's own
preference and not based on the Bible's teaching
of decent dress. I'm also still amazed that some
church-going men like their wives to dress in
that way."

"I became a born again believer in Jesus Christ
when I was 34. Our family left the Methodist
church and switched to a large popular Southern
Baptist Church. We eventually left the Southern
Baptist Church, and one of the biggest reasons is
because women dressed so immodestly, I felt I was
in a lingerie show. I would have to walk the
halls of the church with my head hung to avoid
the display of flesh. ... We became quickly
disappointed that the church often undermined our
own family's standards. ... Two years ago, our
family finally switched to a Fundamental
Independent Bible believing Baptist church and we
really love serving the Lord and being with
believers of like precious faith and with
standards. ... I believe if godly women
understood the effect they can have on a godly
man they would dress differently. I have
daughters and I constantly have to instruct them
on what men think of immodestly dressed women and
correct their dress."

"Thank you for addressing this serious problem. I
agree that most Christian women do not seem to
understand how that the way they dress affects
men. Unfortunately, some do understand and they
enjoy dressing in a way that attracts the
attention of men. ... We are living in the last
part of the last days. Demon influence and demon
possession is rampant. Evil triumphs when the
church does nothing. ONE SIGN OF DEMON ACTIVITY
IS NUDITY AND LEWD DRESS. MEN RESPOND BY SIGHT.
Sight arouses their sexual drive. Anything that
exposes highlights or outlines the torso and
thigh is lustful dress. The Word of God is clear
that a man who lusts after a woman is guilty of
adultery along with her. I told my people last
Sunday that if the women dress inappropriately
and go to town, causing four men to look and
lust, they will be held accountable for
participating in committing adultery."

"As a man, a Christian, and a pastor, I believe
modesty is perhaps the most important issue in
dress, whether among the church or otherwise,
because, I'M TELLING YOU, MEN NOTICE, MEN LOOK,
AND MEN LUST, EVEN THE GOOD ONES. I know many
women say, 'Well, that's their problem, not
mine!' But while we men will answer for our lust,
the ladies will answer for doing something that
causes another to fall into sin. Ladies,
understand, your dress DOES effect us, and as
such, you should prayerful consider what you
wear. Men are created in such a way as to be
stimulated by sight--so when we see a lady,
pretty, or sometimes not, we are stimulated by
the sight of their flesh. It's just the way we
are."

"Ladies, please, dress with modesty. DRESS AS YOU
WOULD IF JESUS WERE SITTING NEXT TO YOU. And He
is, by the way, both because the Christian is
indwelt by the Holy Spirit and because He has
promised to be there when two or three are
gathered together in His name. Jesus is sitting
next to you!"

"I am a member of a fundamental church and am sad
to say that many of these worldly ways are
finding their way into our church. MAY GOD SEND
HIS HOLY SPIRIT TO MOVE IN OUR MIDST SO THAT A
REVIVAL WOULD BREAK FORTH."

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